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ISKCON AND INDIGNITIES: A RATIONAL LOOK AT THE FOUR "REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES"



If you’re thinking about joining the Hare Krishna temple in your area, you’ve probably heard about the “four regulative principles” every devotee is expected to follow. Here’s a objective look at what they involve in practice from somebody who joined as a 14 year old and followed them for the next 13 years:

1. No eating of meat, fish, and eggs. No garlic or onions or mushrooms. According to the ridiculous propaganda that newcomers are fed along with the Sunday Feast, these vegetables “grow in dirty places and increase passion.”  

COMMENTS
Vegetarianism in various forms is practiced by millions of people world-wide for reasons that are religious or ethical, and sometimes both. Buddhists and Jains, for example, are even more stringent in their vegetarian practices than the tiny minority of Hindus who avoid the above-mentioned foods. Other than proscribing the eating of beef due to their cultural reverence for cows, most Hindus include animal protein in their diets. 


The Abrahamic religions follow a similar pattern, excluding certain foods that are deemed unclean or culturally inappropriate and including others some might find offensive. The reason is simple:  both the Vedas and the Hebrew Bible frequently mention animal sacrifice in their scriptures and in all cases, the sacrifice is eaten. Later on, various ethical and hygienic considerations crept in, but, in the main, it is hard to deny that humans are omnivorous by nature. 


Some say that Hindus who follow the Vedic diet do so because they believe in reincarnation and the karmic laws governing actions and reactions. Taking this idea to an irrational extreme has led some to subscribe to the notion that, since all animals contain a soul, killing them without provocation is tantamount to murder. This mistaken equation of human and animal life is at the heart of most religiously-based forms of stringent vegetarianism. 


Here are the facts: eggs sold on the market are unfertilized, so consuming them does not involve taking a life. As for garlic, onions or mushrooms, the truth is all of these vegetables grow in normal conditions and are extremely healthful. Using the foul-smelling resin asafoetida instead of them is unnecessary. Furthermore, passion cannot be increased simply by eating “hot” foods, if that were the case, the chili peppers that are used in most soups and vegetables in Vedic cooking might be blamed by some hot-heads for the continuing population explosion in the sub-continent. For more on this topic, please see: 


2. No alcoholic beverages and no tea, chocolate or coffee: all are intoxicants. Tobacco is also out.

COMMENTS
The sheer hypocrisy of this so-called regulative principle coming from a cult aiming to restore the caste system is staggering! No one has condemned these practices as eloquently as B.R. Ambedkar in his unpublished treatise Revolution and Counter-Revolution in Ancient India and it is worth quoting him at length:

Drinking was another evil which was rampant among the Aryans. Liquors were of two sorts:Soma and Sura. Soma was a sacrificial wine. The drinking of the Soma was in the beginning permitted only to Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas. Subsequently it was permitted only to Brahmins and Kshatriyas. The Vaishyas were excluded from it and the Shudras were never permitted to taste it. Its manufacture was a secret known only to the Brahmins. Sura was open to all and was drunk by all. The Brahmins also drank Sura. The priest to the Asuras drank so heavily that in his drunken state he gave the life giving Mantra known to him only and with which he used to revive the Asuras & killed by the Devas—to Katch the son of Brahaspati who was the priest of the Devas. The Mahabharata mentions an occasion when both Krishna and Arjuna were dead drunk. That shows that the best among the Aryan Society were not only not free from the drink habit but that they drank heavily
(Chapter 2. The Ancient Regime: The State of Aryan Society.)


Responsible adults don’t need anyone else to tell them that consuming anything in excess can be dangerous to their well-being: moderation is the key and total abstention is a waste of time. In addition, modern science has proven that wine, tea, and coffee when consumed moderately, have great health benefits. It is also patently ridiculous to view the caffeine in coffee and tea as “intoxicants,” what to speak of chocolate (coffee and chocolate were also unknown in the early Aryan civilization). 

Furthermore, the issue shouldn’t be intoxication, but what causes the tobacco or marijuana addict to seek escape in the first place; in other words, a rational person should first humanely inquire after the cause of an addiction rather than simply condemn the effect. No religious belief is necessary to inform you that tobacco and recreational drugs are poisons. Also keep in mind that the founder/acharya of the Hare Krishna movement, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, regularly took snuff and never hid his habit from the disciples close to him.

3. Only sexual intercourse between married couples is allowed and even then it must be strictly for procreation.Unmarried men and women must live as monks in ashrams.
Please note: I have dealt with this issue elsewhere and recommend that you read it to get a fuller picture of how this prohibition impacts the lives of the disciples of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 

See:https://harekrishnacultexposed.blogspot.com/2012/01/hare-krishna-mating-ritual-revealed.html.


COMMENTS

This extremely reductive treatment of human sexuality has nothing to do with Vedic culture and was in fact an experiment the founder of ISKCON created to further his ambitions to open temples all over the West as well as facilitate the selling of his books. For a man who entered into an arranged marriage to an eleven-year old girl when he was 24, and who begot six children with her, this prohibition reeks of pure hypocrisy. Much has been written about how he openly discussed his dislike for her and how he came to believe that his dislike of her made it easier for him to abandon his family and become a sanyasi. Frankly, his own experience was the product of a culture that keeps both men and women in a state of perpetual adolescence. 

All of us remember what is was like to be around twelve or thirteen years old and just beginning to feel attracted to the opposite sex: in most cases, the ignorance of biology in the early teens results in mixed attraction and revulsion, both of which subside and are transformed when the boys and girls gradually learn “the facts of life” as well as learn mutual self-respect for each other’s intellectual capabilities. This process of growing emotionally is as important as achieving legal adulthood, but it takes time and patience. 

Unfortunately, the so-Vedic system our guru propounded disturbs this process by marrying off girls just after the onset of puberty, on the ridiculous plea that they are so lustful (nine times as lustful as men, to be exact) that they must get married to a much older man to control them. Legally speaking, this practice is nothing more than the crime of pederasty. No adult male has the right to compel a child to engage in a sexual act (the so-called “consent” of the child is a moot point). Moreover, even if the child you married is now a legal adult, your keeping her as your sexual partner is compelling her, meaning that your so-called wife is actually your sex slave. Requiring unmarried men and women to live as celibate monks in ashrams is a confirmed pervert-making machine, whether you replace ashram for convent or cave, the results are the same. 

Srila Prabhupada used to say that of all the human propensities of eating, sleeping, mating, and defending, mating was optional. Sorry to say, he was mistaken in this respect, but, as we all know, he was in good company: this idea is behind most restrictions on the personal lives of monastic individuals in many faiths. As I have said before, no adult needs another adult to tell him or her how to govern their intimate lives. The notion that celibacy is better than the alternative is fundamentally wrong: men and women have strong emotional needs and these cannot be suppressed and then transmuted into a fit of “ecstatic” chanting in front of the deities or whom they believe to be a “pure devotee.” 

Furthermore, you cannot brainwash a normal adult into “renouncing” their sexual selves by treating love as a category of feeling that has been purged of “lust”: that is both puerile and self-serving. You only have to read about the horrible rapes and other perversions that accompanied the gurukula experiment to see what monsters are created when repressed, immature individuals who have themselves been denied a modicum of privacy and dignity gain access to a group of terrified innocents. Worse, many of these abusers were sannyasis, who are supposed to be exemplars of renunciation. 

4. No Gambling. 

COMMENTS
Another example of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada’s attempting to create a “Vedic” society in the West that never existed in India or even in another of his Krishna-conscious fantasies. Here again I must express my gratitude to the great B.R. Ambedkar for his illuminating descriptions of the gambling habits that typified Aryan society during the lifetime of Buddha (583 BCE-483 BCE): 


Every king had a hall of gambling attached to his palace. Every king had an expert gambler in his employment as a companion to play with. King Virat had in his employment Kank as an expert gambler. Gambling was not merely a pastime with kings. They played with heavy stakes. They staked kingdoms, dependants, relatives, slaves, servants. King Nala Paskkar and lost everything. The only thing he did not stake was himself and his wife Damayanti. Nala had to go and live in the forest as a beggar. There were kings who went beyond Nala. 

The Mahabharata tells how Dharma the eldest of the Pandavas gambled and staked everything, his brothers and also his and their wife Draupadi. Gambling was a matter of honour with the Aryans and any invitation to gamble was regarded as an injury to one's honour and dignity. Dharma gambled with such disastrous consequences although he was warned beforehand. His excuse was that he was invited to gamble and that as a man of honour, he could not decline such an invitation. This vice of gambling was not confined to kings. It had infected even the common folk. Rig-Veda contains lamentations of a poor Aryan ruined by gambling. The habit of gambling had become so common in Kautilya's time that there were gambling houses licensed by the king from which the king derived considerable revenue.

This restriction against gambling is also particularly entertaining since obtaining money by sleight of hand is an ISKCON specialty: have you ever been to the airport or another public place and witnessed first-hand what the Hare Krishna devotees term “book distribution” or “sankirtan”? As someone who spent years participating in this charade, I can tell you that it is nothing more than a campaign of misinformation and theft. No wonder so many of these books and magazines end up in trash bins almost immediately after the unwary traveler realizes the foolishness of his or her purchase.


Let me give you a great example of what this can lead to by referring to an incident in my past: When I lived near the Los Angeles temple in the later 1970’s (just before I finally left ISKCON), I worked in their Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (BBT), fulfilling orders for a scam they advertised in the National Enquirer: they had an ad that told people that they would sell them a talisman that would guarantee them good luck, all for $39. When the orders came in, I would send the poor fools a picture of the Jagganath deity pasted onto a round metal badge and also include a slender ISKCON pamphlet: can anything more degraded and cruel be imagined? I remember complaining about it, only to be told that it was approved by the BBT leadership.


ISKCON, truly a society of the cheaters and the cheated!

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7 comments:

hriday said...

hi planetary eyes
i am a teenage boy from chandigarh india and i think i am on the same track as you were many years before i was thinking of taking initiation from gopal krishna goswami and searched about him on the net . suddenly i came across your blog and what i read just blew up my mind . i want to contact you and want to help you to expose these fraud monks. rightly said fox in saints clothing . especially what gopal did with u was terrible. pls reply to my comment fast and give me some email id or so that i can contact you

planetaryeyes said...
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planetaryeyes said...

Thanks for your offer to help, but I think it will be better for your own spiritual search and peace of mind to forget about those evil monks entirely and go about enjoying your precious teenage years. I wish you the best in your life and hope to hear about your great achievements in the future.

Anonymous said...

you are boldly trying to shake all my beliefs after 40 years of almost blind following. please give me your email adress so that I can discuss with you.

planetaryeyes said...

If you have followed the ISKCON teachings for 40 years (and assuming that you are not one of their spies bent on trying to gain my confidence), you are embarking on a long trip and it will not be easy. Since you understandably need some guidance, I recommend that you take some time to gather the information you need. Most Hare Krishna devotees join the Temple hoping to sustain the elation they initially experienced when chanting & witnessing the dazzling displays of what appears to be a genuine display of Krishna-inspired Bhakti. The prohibitions against cow slaughter along with the spectacle of witnessing so many Westerners adopting a Vedic diet and praising the Gita are strong inducements to join them. Questioning the beliefs and practices of an organization that has been such a huge part of your life is bound to be daunting.

Regardless of what you ultimately decide to do, treat this journey as a means of using your innate reasoning capabilities independent of what any so-called experts or authorities might tell you. Step back from all the emotion and try to look at your situation objectively.

When doubts arise, usually after witnessing the opportunistic behavior, abuse, and indignities that tend to accompany cults, many people simply ascribe them to “fallen” behavior characteristic of the Kali Yuga and tell the offending parties to chant more. Austerity might be inspiring when reading about the lives of various rishis in the Bhagavatam, but in real life, extreme deprivation often produces deprived behavior. The formerly enthusiastic adherents often wonder, “why did I give up so many years of my life to these people in the first place”? That, Yagnesh, is the right place to start. Re-examine the fundamentals of your beliefs and do so on your own authority.

I have spent the better part of 13 years writing essays that cover the vast majority of the social and philosophical issues people who are either interested in or critical of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness need to consider. This is done as a public service only and neither the website you visited or it’s much larger sister, https://harekrishnacultexposed.blogspot.com, , is intended to function as a front for an anti-cult therapist practice. I hope you understand! I sincerely think that you will find the answers to any questions you might have in these blog essays.

My best wishes to you on your journey of introspection and enlightenment.

Anonymous said...

//...The Mahabharata mentions an occasion when both Krishna and Arjuna were dead drunk. ..//

Here is the complete translation of the extract by kesari mohan Ganguli.

Mahabharata, Udyog Parva 5, Section 59, verses 2-5 “Sanjaya said, ‘Listen, O king, as I tell thee the state in which I found Krishna and Dhananjaya. I will also, O Bharata, tell thee what those heroes said; O king, with looks bent down and hands joined together, and with senses well restrained, I entered the inner apartments for conferring with those gods among men. Neither Abhimanyu nor the Twins can repair to that place where are the two Krishnas and Draupadi and lady Satyabhama. There I beheld those chastisers of foes, exhilarated with Bassia wine, their bodies adorned with garlands of flowers.”

Scholar Kumarila Bhatta explained this verse of Mahabharata and justified it saying that by drinking wine Krishna and Arjuna didn’t transgress the law. Kumarila Bhatta wrote that Sura (prepared from grain) is prohibited whereas Krishna and Arjuna drank Madhu which is not prohibited and that Kshatriyas and Vaishyas can have Madhu and Sidhi (types of liquors made from honey and molasses)

Harivamsa parva mentions Krishna consuming meat:
Harimvsha Purana 2.17.15-21 “Let us kill the animals such as buffalos to be eaten. Let this sacrifice be conducted with all gopas…Along with a pond of curd, a vortex of ghee, a river of milk, a variety of meat and a mountain of cooked rice, the entire complex of vraja including the happy gopa-s and beautiful gopi-s proceeded for the hill sacrifice…At the start of the sacrifice, the items were offered to the fire as ordained. The gopa-s performed the sacrifice along with brahmins on an auspicious day. At the end of the sacrifice, by illusion, Krishna became the hill and consumed the best rice, milk, curd and meat which were offered.”
- Translation. A. Purushothaman and A. Harindranath

Anyone who has read Srimadbhagavatam would also know of Balarama's habit of drinking liquor.
Srimad Bhagavatam 10.67.9-15 “There he saw Śrī Balarāma, the Lord of the Yadus, adorned with a garland of lotuses and appearing most attractive in every limb. He was singing amidst a crowd of young women, and since He had drunk vāruṇī liquor, His eyes rolled as if He were intoxicated..."

In valmiki ramayana we do have the instances of Sita and Rama having meat and wine:-
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Ramayana of Valmiki, Uttarakhanda 7, Sarga 42, Verses 18-23 “Like unto Purandara with Sachi he took Sita by the hand, made her sit and drink the wine distilled in the province of Mira. And in no time the servants brought for him well-cooked meat and various fruits. Being inebriate the beautiful Apsaras, well-skilled in the art of singing and dancing, began to dance before Rama in the company of Kinnaris. The virtuous souled Rama, the foremost of those who know how to please, satisfied those beautiful damsels adorned with various ornaments.” Translation. by Manmatha Nath Dutt

All this should not be surprising.We know that Rama and Krishna both were born in the Kshatriya clan in which it is customary to have meat and alcohol.
There are many more instances as well.But Many translators deliberately try to conceal these references by mistranslating. Here is the description of one such example ( https://vedkabhed.wordpress.com/2014/08/02/meat-eating-and-animal-killing-in-valmiki-ramayan/#content )

Matthew Joy said...

"Furthermore, the issue shouldn’t be intoxication, but what causes the tobacco or marijuana addict to seek escape in the first place; in other words, a rational person should first humanely inquire after the cause of an addiction rather than simply condemn the effect."

Couldn't agree more!
As someone who has dated alcoholics, had a grandfather died early from it, and my ex-gf died at 33 years old from a decade drinking, this injunction is a cheat. I sent my ex home to get rehab, as she was having so many seizures I was afraid of leaving her home alone when I went to work ... and never saw her again as 3 days later she was in a coma.
I can tell you about the few few weeks in our 3 years living together where she was stone cold sober. If the problem was just booze, then those sober times would have fixed all her problems. NOPE. Not even. As it was, the booze hid the problem of her dad spending 10 years of her youth in jail (and she was told he was on holiday, so never visited, then suddenly at age 15 dad comes home from work), 2 junkie brothers, an ex husband who put a gun to her head many times, a rape, car wreck, 10 days in jail, a body quickly falling apart from her alcohol and newly acquired cocaine addiction which made her drink more. All those things fed this alcoholism to get away from life. The problem wasn't the booze, but her life.
As for other drinkers I've known - they all hated themselves, so they drank.
I spent 3 months in AA, not because I drank, but because I was around so many drinkers. I met so many that were sober, and life was great ... including one guy who told me he was counting the days till his ex-girlfriend had him back, and life would begin anew! Horaayyyy!!!! Except she stole from him, hated him, cheated on him, and didn't return his calls now, but oh, how much he loved her and while he started drinking DUE to how she treated him .... he literally said to me the problem was gone now that he was sober. NOPE.


As for marijuana, Srila Prabhupada would be against medical use then? Medical use which has found to have super amazing benefits, no less. So, he would tell folks that to be sick was just their lot in life, their karma, and if smoking allowed them to be like normal folks ... well, tough? So, if not smoking meant they lived on welfare, but smoking allowed them to function and get a job, and contribute .... nah, stay home and be a welfare kid, no pot for you! That's just cold. Then he'd likely complain about the rascals who lived off the system.

"No religious belief is necessary to inform you that tobacco and recreational drugs are poisons. Also keep in mind that the founder/acharya of the Hare Krishna movement, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, regularly took snuff and never hid his habit from the disciples close to him."

Ah, but he's an enlightened being, so nothing he says, does, thinks or farts is bad. LOL